Comments on: How to shoot yourself on the foot, or how to kill your own viral product http://www.glowleaf.net/how-to-shoot-yourself-on-the-foot-or-how-to-kill-your-own-viral-product/ Internet Marketing, the way it should be Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:42:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Private Label Rights http://www.glowleaf.net/how-to-shoot-yourself-on-the-foot-or-how-to-kill-your-own-viral-product/comment-page-1/#comment-3022 Private Label Rights Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:51:31 +0000 http://www.glowleaf.net/?p=215#comment-3022 Thanks for the news, I really didn�t know about it yet though I normally keep my eyes wide opened.

]]> By: Lolita Borwig http://www.glowleaf.net/how-to-shoot-yourself-on-the-foot-or-how-to-kill-your-own-viral-product/comment-page-1/#comment-2458 Lolita Borwig Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:51:48 +0000 http://www.glowleaf.net/?p=215#comment-2458 As a Newbie, I am always searching online for articles that can help me. Thank you As a Newbie, I am always searching online for articles that can help me. Thank you

]]> By: admin http://www.glowleaf.net/how-to-shoot-yourself-on-the-foot-or-how-to-kill-your-own-viral-product/comment-page-1/#comment-658 admin Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:54:37 +0000 http://www.glowleaf.net/?p=215#comment-658 " I imagine it would be ten times this if the product was free" That was the point I was trying to pass in my post. Please understand that your software was an example. I have nothing personal with you, on the contrary, I like your posts. "If people do submit crap/porn/spam I email them with suggestions, because there’s no point in them doing it - it won’t work. I’m also working on a URL filtering mechanism to filter out those who post crap algorithmically." Ok, so this is the true protection method. Sounds pretty good. "I’m a little miffed at your post, calling my system a failure" I was misunderstood here. I was "talking" to entrepreneurs who say: “But how will I make money off it? I paid for development! I spent months on it! I paid for marketing!” I wasn't referring to you. I was replying to hypothetical (but common) narrow-minded software developers. Actually, you have convinced me to test your software.I will give it a try soon :) ” I imagine it would be ten times this if the product was free”
That was the point I was trying to pass in my post. Please understand that your software was an example. I have nothing personal with you, on the contrary, I like your posts.

“If people do submit crap/porn/spam I email them with suggestions, because there’s no point in them doing it – it won’t work. I’m also working on a URL filtering mechanism to filter out those who post crap algorithmically.”
Ok, so this is the true protection method. Sounds pretty good.

“I’m a little miffed at your post, calling my system a failure”
I was misunderstood here. I was “talking” to entrepreneurs who say: “But how will I make money off it? I paid for development! I spent months on it! I paid for marketing!”
I wasn’t referring to you. I was replying to hypothetical (but common) narrow-minded software developers.

Actually, you have convinced me to test your software.I will give it a try soon :)

]]> By: Mark http://www.glowleaf.net/how-to-shoot-yourself-on-the-foot-or-how-to-kill-your-own-viral-product/comment-page-1/#comment-657 Mark Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:36:46 +0000 http://www.glowleaf.net/?p=215#comment-657 You'd be surprised - don't be too quick to lay down judgement on a model you haven't tried. AutoStumble has close to 1,000 *active* members. I imagine it would be ten times this if the product was free. £20 puts off a lot of people for every good blackhatter there's one thousand bad ones and it's these kiddies I don't want polluting the system. If you understand how StumbleUpon works, you will know that even if you do enter a Viagra page or crap page into AutoStumble, it won't go viral - SU has 6,000,000 or so members so you need thousands and thousands of votes to make something go viral, AutoStumble just gives you the edge over the competition and a nice headstart, it doesn't run on magic and pixie dust. Charging £20 makes people bother researching what SU is and how it works before they make their purchase decision. Making it free would bring about the "what the hell, might as well try it approach" and lead to everyone's accounts getting banned. If people do submit crap/porn/spam I email them with suggestions, because there's no point in them doing it - it won't work. I'm also working on a URL filtering mechanism to filter out those who post crap algorithmically. I'm a little miffed at your post, calling my system a failure, when if you do your research (such as: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-tools/17252-auto-stumble.html) you will find loads of people reporting the success they have had with the system. I am fully aware that the effectiveness of the program is directly proportional to active users, which is why I scaled the price point and *gave away for free* over 200 accounts to various SEOs who were enrolled with other programs. For instance, I gave all members of Eli's (from bluehatseo) SQUIRT, a free copy. So, the initial launch was totally free, then I charged £10 then I hit 500 users and now charge £20. I understand the point of your post and I agree with it, but I've done most of the things you say here... So.... Great, but pick someone who deserves a bashing :P You’d be surprised – don’t be too quick to lay down judgement on a model you haven’t tried. AutoStumble has close to 1,000 *active* members. I imagine it would be ten times this if the product was free.

£20 puts off a lot of people for every good blackhatter there’s one thousand bad ones and it’s these kiddies I don’t want polluting the system.

If you understand how StumbleUpon works, you will know that even if you do enter a Viagra page or crap page into AutoStumble, it won’t go viral – SU has 6,000,000 or so members so you need thousands and thousands of votes to make something go viral, AutoStumble just gives you the edge over the competition and a nice headstart, it doesn’t run on magic and pixie dust.

Charging £20 makes people bother researching what SU is and how it works before they make their purchase decision.

Making it free would bring about the “what the hell, might as well try it approach” and lead to everyone’s accounts getting banned.

If people do submit crap/porn/spam I email them with suggestions, because there’s no point in them doing it – it won’t work. I’m also working on a URL filtering mechanism to filter out those who post crap algorithmically.

I’m a little miffed at your post, calling my system a failure, when if you do your research (such as: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-tools/17252-auto-stumble.html) you will find loads of people reporting the success they have had with the system.

I am fully aware that the effectiveness of the program is directly proportional to active users, which is why I scaled the price point and *gave away for free* over 200 accounts to various SEOs who were enrolled with other programs. For instance, I gave all members of Eli’s (from bluehatseo) SQUIRT, a free copy.

So, the initial launch was totally free, then I charged £10 then I hit 500 users and now charge £20.

I understand the point of your post and I agree with it, but I’ve done most of the things you say here… So…. Great, but pick someone who deserves a bashing :P

]]> By: admin http://www.glowleaf.net/how-to-shoot-yourself-on-the-foot-or-how-to-kill-your-own-viral-product/comment-page-1/#comment-656 admin Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:01 +0000 http://www.glowleaf.net/?p=215#comment-656 So you are telling me, that right now, I cannot register auto stumble, and start submitting my crappy viagra spam and cheap hubpages? I do not see how a 20 pound cost prevents someone from abusing the system. Even noobish blackhats can afford 20 pounds. If that is the only measure of protection for the system, then it seems weak. Congratulations on the quarter million stumble exchanges though :) It really is a great idea for a network based product. So you are telling me, that right now, I cannot register auto stumble, and start submitting my crappy viagra spam and cheap hubpages?

I do not see how a 20 pound cost prevents someone from abusing the system. Even noobish blackhats can afford 20 pounds. If that is the only measure of protection for the system, then it seems weak.

Congratulations on the quarter million stumble exchanges though :) It really is a great idea for a network based product.

]]> By: Mark http://www.glowleaf.net/how-to-shoot-yourself-on-the-foot-or-how-to-kill-your-own-viral-product/comment-page-1/#comment-655 Mark Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:18:36 +0000 http://www.glowleaf.net/?p=215#comment-655 Does this mean you want a free copy? :) Fail miserably? Kill the virus? A poor attempt at a Godinish post, my friend. The £20 acts as a barrier between users who understand the product and the droves and droves of noobish blackhats who would poison the system with their viagra spam and cheap hubpages and lead the the whole network being uprooted and shut down. Epic Fail? "Total Votes Swapped (Live!): 268,307" Over quarter of a million stumbles swapped in a matter of months. Does this mean you want a free copy? :)

Fail miserably? Kill the virus? A poor attempt at a Godinish post, my friend. The £20 acts as a barrier between users who understand the product and the droves and droves of noobish blackhats who would poison the system with their viagra spam and cheap hubpages and lead the the whole network being uprooted and shut down.

Epic Fail?

“Total Votes Swapped (Live!): 268,307″

Over quarter of a million stumbles swapped in a matter of months.

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